The Poolie Bunker

It's not entirely conclusive but difficult to argue with.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4741&q=jfk

Bill Oddie!?!?

Have a watch, its thought provoking.

Very good, unfortinutley the powers that be have the media in their pockets so they continually get away with corruption, it won't be long till the internet is fully controlled and free speach will be completely a thing of the past.......

You'll have to enlighten me, we can't get Google playback here. I've a keen interest though and I've been to Dealy Plaza and the 'museum.'

Amusingly enough, like a lot of places in Texas it says on the door you have to check in your gun at reception. I've got the photo somewhere. Stable door, horse, etc etc.....

Who killed JFK?

Lee Harvey Oswald - acting alone. Just like the Warren Commission said.

Just think how big a conspiracy would have to have been in order to 'fix' that, in the most open society in the world, with lots of people desperate to find fault with it.

Within the last couple of years a programme was broadcast on the BBC, presented by Gavin Esler, which dealt with all of the points that had been raised over the years such as the accuracy of the rifle used, the trajectory of the bullets, the ability of a single individual to shoot three times in the time available, etc, etc.

I found the programme very persuasive, and as far as I could tell, the participants had no obvious political axe to grind.

Additionally, the thing that keeps occuring to me when this topic is raised is; if there had been a conspiracy, how have the participants been able to keep it a secret all these years?
I just don't think it credible that there would have been no leaks in all this time.

There is always someone who will see a conspiracy in anything. That doesn't mean that they will always be wrong, but usually the most simple explanation is the most likely.

People view the BBC as some sort of credible unbiased source but it isn't.

How is the USA the most open society in the world?

In all walks of life secrets are kept, just because it is what is seemingly a BIG secret doesn't mean that things arent being kept quiet. If someone is prepared to kill the president then killing you, or your kids is pretty small time don't you think?

edit - I'm not saing that I believe the particular google video to be accurate but the official version doesn't make much sense and its strange how peoples stories changed over time.......

I don't know who killed him but when you clear away all the smoke and mirrors, if you get shot in the back of the head with a high velocity round you head will go forward every time. Oswald simply could not have fired that shot from his position.

Jonny,

I take it by your reference to some people viewing the BBC as 'some sort of credible unbiased source' that you think that that was the basis of my post. For the record I have no such opinion of the BBC and have not regarded it as such for some considerable time. I mentioned it as being the broadcaster of the programme to which I referred simply to identify the source of the information which had helped to form my opinion.

I consider that America is the most open society in the world because its written constitution provides for their freedoms, which are extensive, and they have consistently been reinforced over the years by their courts.

My point about keeping a conspiracy secret doesn't rely on the ruthlessness of people who are prepared to kill others in order to keep it secret. I just think, for something as big as that, there would have to have been a lot of people involved and that sooner or later something would have slipped out. It is now 43 years and still there has been no believable information that identifies the involvement of anyone other than Oswald.

Without a doubt Kennedy's head goes backwards when the shot hits, implyiing a hit from the front, can't see any other explanation

I don't know a lot about the JFK assasination because t was from well before my time and I've not seen a lot about it. But like MR I says the momentum of JFK's movements suggest that there is more than meets the eye.

Big secrets are kept all the time, in different circles these secets just are at different scales. In normal peoples circles its keeping things quiet that your brother has shagged someone behind his wifes back but people in power are probably a bit more ruthless than you and me and probably have a different set of rules. If there was foul play involved I can't see anyone blabbing because they would probably incriminate themselves......

Some people would argue that the information is there. There are severel versions of events of many events in history - its just a case of which one you believe and seems more realistic to you.

Sometimes the bigger the thing the easier it is. Take for example borrowing money, if you want to borrow say £2000 the bank will go through you with a fine tooth comb. However armed with a decent business plan and you want to borrow 200 million its much much easier. Seriously!!

If you control the dissemination of information then you could sell a very big lie which becomes the accepted fact. A bloke who was a confirmed CIA assassin has indeed come forward and admitted to being part of the team that shot JFK. His name is John Files. True to form his credibility has been questioned and he has been made out to be a nutter.

Anyone that questions a so called 'official story' of an event is labelled a nutter by the controlled media and people in power. This seems to be the norm rather than addressing the points that they put forward.

Look whats happening to Rosie O Donnell in the USA at the moment, whether you agree with her or not she surely doesn't deserve the witch hunt that has started to get her sacked... Whatever happened to free speech.?

PS - Does anyone have a decent business plan? A couple of million will do me......

When you go up to the 'snipers nest' in the museum, which was the Texas School Book Depository, you can't actually get to the window in question but you can get to the one next to it and surprisingly there's a white 'x' on the road where the first shot struck. The angle, which can't be much different from the original one, from that window means you'd have to hang out to shoot a rifle and hit that 'x'. Now I fired plenty of rifles in the Army, some of them accurately, and it's not a shot I'd like to take on, particularly with a bolt action weapon, and the elevation means you'd have trouble clearing the window sill which is very low, almost floor height.

Then again I might want to believe the theory having seen the admirable JFK by Oliver Stone.

well if it's any consolation, even if JFK hadn't been shot in 1963, the chances are he'd have died by now of old age!!!

JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, no question. I had to do so much research into this in a course in first year Uni, and every theory, including the magic bullet, do not stand up;

Firstly, his jacket was bunched up at the back, which explains why the bulletholes did not originally match up;




And the bullet position on Sen. Connolly was lower due to the limo seats being lower at the front than the back, making JFK more elevated;



You can see that it's definitely the same sniper as Connolly reacts in the Zapruder film one frame after JFK;



And the bullet was not "unscathed" as many say because there's a photo and description here:




Too many conspiracists, it's absolute garbage. The film JFK was utter bullshit - Oliver Stone is one of the most politically-minded directors ever, and can't help but get his own point of view in every film he makes, whether it's right or wrong.

If anyone wants to try shooting JFK for themselves, I have a videogame called "JFK Reloaded" which certainly put the myths to bed for me...

I'd be dead interested if you've got anything you could send me GP, with it being a piece of history that happened in my time I've always been very curious, hence the visit to Dallas when the opportunity presented itself. I've stood on that grassy knoll!! And been round the back of the fence in the rail yard.

Sorry GP but video games dont solve the argument. The man couldn't possibly have done what he was said to have done, the angle of the shot proves that there had to have been another sniper. With all due respect mate, a study by a group of first year students looking at the evidence that is officially available doesn't change that. Had you had been given access to CIA/ONI files then your studies would have had a lot more credbility.

I know it doesn't sound much but the sheer amount of books and online sources I had to read proves nothing but what I've substantiated there; I've seen so many conspiracy theories on Sky, BBC and online that really can't back up what they say, as they've been dissected over and over again.

The game in question was made using the exact point of view of Oswald, and the motorcade and geography has been put together perfectly; it took about 3 years to make from a team of programmers who worked for Microsoft, Core Design and Activision. The aim is to use the three bullets exactly like Oswald, and has the ability to view the reconstruction of the shooting - with evidence from the Zapruder film - to show exactly how it happens. I know it's hard to believe but you're criticising my six months of research with a film you found on YouTube; ironic, don't you think?

The angle of all the shots doesn't require another sniper. I know that there are loads of unsolved ideas - the black umbrella man, the Jack Ruby assassination and his subsequent death from cancer for example - but I tried to find another theory myself. Sadly, we'll never know either way - I'm not exactly going to get access to CIA or FBI files, so I can't go any further.

Fact is, when a big American/international tragedy occurs - 9/11, Pearl Harbor or the London bombings - there's always going to be somebody trying to make out that it's all a big subplot to a much darker picture. Occam's Razor in full effect though - if it looks like it happened, it most probably did.

I'll get back to you on everything else Kev - I'll mail you a disc with the game on if you like, although this is my last message until Thursday - tschuss!