The Poolie Bunker

even though danny is responsible for first tesm affairs and has been terribly slated during the recent slump in form, i ask myself when it as been stated in many posts on here we are going in the wrong direction. why have i not seen any negative posts on chris turner, as director of football should he not shoulder some of the blame if we are going in the wrong direction?
if we must have negativity then maybe we should spread the blame more to share the burden

No its down to Wilson & Butterworth alone

Turner is not the manager, Turner has no control on events on the pitch. Turner can only control what goes off it.

So was us being in this league in the first place then for only the 8th (I think, I counted on my fingers!) season in our whole history and we ain't been higher folks, under the current regime it's possible and it certainly wasn't in the past in most cases being 15th in the fourth division wasn't never mind the third.

Our current form is frustrating but we also need to keep some perspective.

I know our club is a different beast to the old days as well, that's why our current form is so frustrating.

it as been stated we are going in the wrong direction,,, as director of football does he have no responsibility

If someone has stated that they think we aren't going 'in the right direction' then thats just an opinion, one I would not agree with, the club comes on leaps and bounds every year whatever goes on, on the pitch. But if we were 'going backwards' it would be down to everyone including the board, players, and management.

We have certainly 'gone backwards' in the last couple of months in terms of results and performance on the field you can't dispute that, that is where the understandable underbelly of negativity comes from. Win some football matches and it will be all sweetness and light. We are football fans we have a right to be fickle, we pay our money!

How big an impact has his choice of keeper had to do with this in your most esteemed opinion chip? I think the confidence in Budtz has waned with every passing game and the lack of communication has became a joke. In one instance at Carlisle Nelson chased a long ball over his own head, his obvious option (unchallenged) was a back pass to Jan but he proceeded to turn and thump the thing in the away end. It was an obvious sign of a centre half having no faith in a goalkeeper.

Again for a lack of communication see the Jeff Smith goal when an innocuous cross was cleared by Nolan without an attacker in sight two seconds later it was 2-2.

All the defenders are or have been in the past good footballers I'm not sure you could say the big Dane has been a solid football league standard keeper, because he quite simply isn't or hasn't been.

my question was as if stated by many on here that if we are going in the wrong direction should not the director of football get some of the blame
i would mutch rather see less bad posts aimed at danny and certain players they do see these posts and i can not see in any way how they help the moral of the team

Are you taking the piss? So it's ok to attach some unwarranted blame on Turner but let the players and manager off the hook.

I tell you what would help the moral of the team...... winning games of football on a more regular basis than 2 games in 12.

I'm not a negative poster far from it i'm often placed in the glass half full squad but a variation in opinions makes a forum. On current form people are going to get pissed off and the tone is bound to be more negative it wouldn't be worth bothering if everybody constantly slapped each others backs and said how great everything was. We are all massive Pools fans that's why we post and that's why sometimes people might go OTT, because we care.

Should we just say all the players are nice and great and haven't played shite for the past couple of months, but slag someone who has very little to to with the coaching of the players

Seems fair to me!

no far from it danny and some players have had a hell of a slagging but i repeat it as been well stated we are going in the wrong direction,,,,what is the role of the director of football,,,,

no matter what the title its an unbelivable job it seems he has no responsibility

It's Wilsons responsibility..end of.
Here's an analogy, much like a Captain on a ship, he's the man who takes the good with the bad. Blaming Turner is like blaming the owner of the ship, he may be finanacing it and have a strong vested interest, but when it comes down to it, the Captain makes the ultimate decision and has to stand by the result of his actions ... the only comeback is if the owner of the ship isn't giving the captain the resources to do the job and not paying him well.
It's Danny's problem, the engines are on the blink and the steerings gone.... and it looks a bit 'rough' out there.

I think Mr jockthemonkey has a valid point, if people aren't happy with Danny Boy, (and I'm not one of them cos I think he'll sort it) then surely the initial fault lies with whoever appointed him, although I can't remember too many people oppose his appointment.
Another valid point of Mr jockthemonkeys was how can constant slagging help to boost moral and performance, a prime example of verbal assassination was at Swindon, Elliott who was having a poor game, but I doubt very much it was deliberate, yet as is normally the case the 'fan!' with the biggest mouth, and this mouth was big, and this mouth belonged to someone I haven't noticed at many/any other away games this season, but might be wrong cos Swindons not the best place to pick to follow your team for a one off game, shouted down to Elliott that he's "just not good enough" now that doesn't seem too harsh, and no doubt a lot of people will say he was only telling the truth, but this came at a time when the ground was quiet, when Elliott was stood just below us and when whole team needed as much encouragement as possible, Elliott, Humphs, Barker get enough stick from opposition fans without taking it from our own. Anyway needless to say Elliotts performance got progressively worse, but would it of with a little support ? who knows

I agree with not shouting abuse at them,there's not much point in shouting at them until full time because they are all we have representing us during the 90 minutes. I'll have a moan/groan about how players are performing to my mates, but it doesn't do much good shouting at players from the sidelines, unless they are not trying - now that's very different, and usually you can see someone not pulling their weight or hiding - and I hate that.
I can remember times when we had to encourage players who we knew for a fact weren;'t good enough - if only so that we lost 1 or 2-0, instead of 4 or 5 nil

Thank you mr Parmopooly, got Mr jockthemonkeys point in 1