How funny

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:39 am

Alistair Darling rolfl

Ian Wright :shock:

grabec · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:43 am

Not funny....terrifying. Why do people think democracy is such a great system if it throws up people like them?
I looked up my mp's voting record the other day and she's voted against my wishes ( :roll:

) on just about every conceivable issue.

ps have you joined no2id yet? :wink:

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:49 am

ADG wrote:

No. How do I do it?

Well first of all you have to register with them and tell them all of your personal details such as name, address, date of birth etc so that they can verify who you say you are...

grabec · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:56 am

Mr Ripper wrote:

ADG wrote:

No. How do I do it?

Well first of all you have to register with them and tell them all of your personal details such as name, address, date of birth etc so that they can verify who you say you are...

Mr ADG, just google no2id and follow the instructions. They give you all the gen re databases and how to reply to people who think everything will be OK of you've got nothing to hide :wink:

Mr Ripper..put a sock in it :grin:

norgepoolie · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:58 am

grabec wrote:

Not funny....terrifying. Why do people think democracy is such a great system if it throws up people like them?
I looked up my mp's voting record the other day and she's voted against my wishes ( :roll:

) on just about every conceivable issue.

ps have you joined no2id yet? :wink:

And you would prefer............?

grabec · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:02 pm

norgepoolie wrote:

grabec wrote:

Not funny....terrifying. Why do people think democracy is such a great system if it throws up people like them?
I looked up my mp's voting record the other day and she's voted against my wishes ( :roll:

) on just about every conceivable issue.

ps have you joined no2id yet? :wink:

And you would prefer............?

Oh some sort of advanced feudalism, probably. At least you knew where the goal posts were then :wink:

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

can i set up a feudal empire on the Headland then?

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:07 pm

ADG wrote:

No the problem is the labour government give important jobs to fookwits like:

Hazel Blears
Harriot Harman
and that other numb bounder whose name escapes me.

RUTH KELLY? :evil:

norgepoolie · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:07 pm

grabec wrote:

norgepoolie wrote:

grabec wrote:

Not funny....terrifying. Why do people think democracy is such a great system if it throws up people like them?
I looked up my mp's voting record the other day and she's voted against my wishes ( :roll:

) on just about every conceivable issue.

ps have you joined no2id yet? :wink:

And you would prefer............?

Oh some sort of advanced feudalism, probably. At least you knew where the goal posts were then :wink:

Better an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We could take
it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

grabec · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:10 pm

offshorepoolie wrote:

grabec wrote:

Not funny....terrifying. Why do people think democracy is such a great system if it throws up people like them?
I looked up my mp's voting record the other day and she's voted against my wishes ( :roll:

) on just about every conceivable issue.

ps have you joined no2id yet? :wink:

The problem with the system is the government is supported by only a percentage (say 40%) of the people who bothered their arse to vote in the first place... so by definition they'll be voting against some if not most of their constituents views 99.99% of time ... :roll:

Well, yes, but that only means that politicians don't represent anything that people want to vote for.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:11 pm

grabec wrote:

Well, yes, but that only means that politicians don't represent anything that people want to vote for.

*LARGE CLUNK OF PENNY DROPPING*

Politicians represent what they think best serves their own interests.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:13 pm

offshorepoolie wrote:

Correct and the solution is.............

Discuss

Why would a pokey athletics event dominated by Eastern European drag artists be the answer?

grabec · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:16 pm

offshorepoolie wrote:

[quote="grabec
ps have you joined no2id yet? :wink:

The problem with the system is the government is supported by only a percentage (say 40%) of the people who bothered their arse to vote in the first place... so by definition they'll be voting against some if not most of their constituents views 99.99% of time ... :roll:

[/quote]

Well, yes, but that only means that politicians don't represent anything that people want to vote for.[/quote]

Correct and the solution is.............

Discuss[/quote]

Oh, thumb screws probably.

But, there isn't a solution is there? except to go back to living in very small groups where it's possible to have some sort of working consensus. In a large complex society consensus is pretty impossible

grabec · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:38 pm

ADG wrote:

Proportional representation would be a small step in the right direction.

No, not for me it wouldn't. No-one ever wants the same things as I do.

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

non of the parties in power would vote for that they have all had the chance in the past

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:54 pm

gremmlin wrote:

non of the parties in power would vote for that they have all had the chance in the past

Good.

PR is bollox.

Let's get back to the good old days of politics where the Conservatives had a good strong leader and Labour were completely unelectable. :grin:

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

lests go further back to when the tories were having all the fun at our expense
oh but wait a minute they went to a needless war too

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:07 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

gremmlin wrote:

non of the parties in power would vote for that they have all had the chance in the past

Good.

PR is bollox.

Let's get back to the good old days of politics where the Conservatives had a good strong leader and Labour were completely unelectable. :grin:

The tories haven't had a 'strong' leader for nearly 20 years now and it doesn't look like being any different in the near future, does it?

The only way they'll get back in is if Labour continue to make an arse of it, even then it won't be a landslide

PS

I didn't think you were a fan of the 'old etonian' system of rule, even Thatcher wouldn't employ them!

katcha · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:12 pm

gremmlin wrote:

lests go further back to when the tories were having all the fun at our expense
oh but wait a minute they went to a needless war too

what needless war?

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:16 pm

TalbotAvenger wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

PR is bollox.

Let's get back to the good old days of politics where the Conservatives had a good strong leader and Labour were completely unelectable. :grin:

The tories haven't had a 'strong' leader for nearly 20 years now and it doesn't look like being any different in the near future, does it?

The only way they'll get back in is if Labour continue to make an arse of it, even then it won't be a landslide

PS

I didn't think you were a fan of the 'old etonian' system of rule, even Thatcher wouldn't employ them!

Thatcher is the best leader this country has had in my lifetime.

I'd have her back tomorrow, zimmer frame and all, given half a chance cos that uesless one eyed Scottish bastad shouldn't be Prime Minister of England seeing as though he's got in through the back door in more ways than one.

grabec · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:40 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

[Thatcher is the best leader this country has had in my lifetime.

I'd have her back tomorrow, zimmer frame and all, given half a chance cos that uesless one eyed Scottish bastad shouldn't be Prime Minister of England seeing as though he's got in through the back door in more ways than one.

But, by your definition, Margaret Thatcher was of a breed who represented what she thought best served her own interests :wink:

I second that!

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:46 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

TalbotAvenger wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

PR is bollox.

Let's get back to the good old days of politics where the Conservatives had a good strong leader and Labour were completely unelectable. :grin:

The tories haven't had a 'strong' leader for nearly 20 years now and it doesn't look like being any different in the near future, does it?

The only way they'll get back in is if Labour continue to make an arse of it, even then it won't be a landslide

PS

I didn't think you were a fan of the 'old etonian' system of rule, even Thatcher wouldn't employ them!

Thatcher is the best leader this country has had in my lifetime.

I'd have her back tomorrow, zimmer frame and all, given half a chance cos that uesless one eyed Scottish bastad shouldn't be Prime Minister of England seeing as though he's got in through the back door in more ways than one.

She hardly had any competition though did she?

Callaghan, Foot, NickNock, hardly going to send shivers down her spine

He didnt get in 'through the back door', I know its a hard concept to grasp, but you elect the PARTY, not the person, just like Major replaced Mrs T in the same manner

Yossarian · **Joined:** Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:29 pm **Posts:** 801

[/quote]

Thatcher is the best leader this country has had in my lifetime.

I'd have her back tomorrow, zimmer frame and all, given half a chance cos that uesless one eyed Scottish bastad shouldn't be Prime Minister of England seeing as though he's got in through the back door in more ways than one.[/quote]

Oh nostalgia aint what it used to be....
The two worst recessions since the 1930's
Unemployment at its highest level ever
The biggest slump in british industry in 60 years
The fastest drop in british living standards since world war 2
The poll tax :roll:

15% interest rates
Good old Maggie.

I could go on but i cant be arsed.

poolieineastlondon · **Joined:** Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:08 pm **Posts:** 454

quote="Mr Ripper"][Thatcher is the best leader this country has had in my lifetime.

I'd have her back tomorrow, zimmer frame and all, given half a chance cos that uesless one eyed Scottish bastad shouldn't be Prime Minister of England seeing as though he's got in through the back door in more ways than one.[/quote]

Chortle! rolfl

Presumably you mean the best leader in your opinion rather than as an absolute fact? People like you really do make me laugh albeit not in a good way.

Get a grip on reality, man!

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:15 pm

poolieineastlondon wrote:

quote="Mr Ripper"][Thatcher is the best leader this country has had in my lifetime.

I'd have her back tomorrow, zimmer frame and all, given half a chance cos that uesless one eyed Scottish bastad shouldn't be Prime Minister of England seeing as though he's got in through the back door in more ways than one.

Chortle!

Presumably you mean the best leader in your opinion rather than as an absolute fact? People like you really do make me laugh albeit not in a good way.

Get a grip on reality, man![/quote]

But as MR I often times quotes, the country was dead on it's arse when she got in

And it was when she left, so a big round of applause for Mrs 'I aint getting on no plane, to Brussels' T

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:48 pm

Yossarian wrote:

Oh nostalgia aint what it used to be....
The two worst recessions since the 1930's
Unemployment at its highest level ever
The biggest slump in british industry in 60 years
The fastest drop in british living standards since world war 2
The poll tax :roll:

15% interest rates
Good old Maggie.

I could go on but i cant be arsed.

Unemployment was a necessary evil to rationalise the corrupt nationalised union dominated industries. The interest rates were a knock on effect.

The fastest drop in living standards? So increased home ownership and being able to have electricity seven days a week was a bad thing?

And I'd bring the Poll Tax back tomorrow. It's a much fairer system than the old rates system or the council tax currently in place.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:49 pm

poolieineastlondon wrote:

Chortle!

Presumably you mean the best leader in your opinion rather than as an absolute fact?

I'll amend my signature just for you. :roll:

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:56 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

Yossarian wrote:

Oh nostalgia aint what it used to be....
The two worst recessions since the 1930's
Unemployment at its highest level ever
The biggest slump in british industry in 60 years
The fastest drop in british living standards since world war 2
The poll tax :roll:

15% interest rates
Good old Maggie.

I could go on but i cant be arsed.

Unemployment was a necessary evil to rationalise the corrupt nationalised union dominated industries. The interest rates were a knock on effect.

The fastest drop in living standards? So increased home ownership and being able to have electricity seven days a week was a bad thing?

And I'd bring the Poll Tax back tomorrow. It's a much fairer system than the old rates system or the council tax currently in place.

Even though it helped to sow the seeds of her eventual defeat?

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:59 pm

TalbotAvenger wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

Yossarian wrote:

Oh nostalgia aint what it used to be....
The two worst recessions since the 1930's
Unemployment at its highest level ever
The biggest slump in british industry in 60 years
The fastest drop in british living standards since world war 2
The poll tax :roll:

15% interest rates
Good old Maggie.

I could go on but i cant be arsed.

Unemployment was a necessary evil to rationalise the corrupt nationalised union dominated industries. The interest rates were a knock on effect.

The fastest drop in living standards? So increased home ownership and being able to have electricity seven days a week was a bad thing?

And I'd bring the Poll Tax back tomorrow. It's a much fairer system than the old rates system or the council tax currently in place.

Even though it helped to sow the seeds of her eventual defeat?

Yes.

It would just need seeing through with more conviction this time rather than let the unwashed, uneducated masses railroad it cos it meant that they may have to pay their fair share as opposed to continually taking out more than they are putting in.

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

quote="Mr Ripper"][Thatcher is the best leader this country has had in my lifetime.

you are but a wee boy
some of us have longer memories
do you know what a means test was?

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:09 pm

gremmlin wrote:

do you know what a means test was?

I know what a means test should be.

Scrap the NHS, and if you don't have the means to pay for your treatment or private health insurance then you get nowt.

That should lower my tax bill a bit.

parmopooly · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:36 pm

how'd Pools gerron? :evil:

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:41 pm

Mr Ripper wrote:

gremmlin wrote:

do you know what a means test was?

I know what a means test should be.

Scrap the NHS, and if you don't have the means to pay for your treatment or private health insurance then you get nowt.

That should lower my tax bill a bit.

Do you realise how much the equivalent NHS treatment would cost privately?

Look at the USA as a role mode, even a big earner like you would struggle, believe me

Any other good right wing ideas,
Kids up chimneys, abolish state schools?

And it wont lower you tax bill anyway

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:44 pm

TalbotAvenger wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

gremmlin wrote:

do you know what a means test was?

I know what a means test should be.

Scrap the NHS, and if you don't have the means to pay for your treatment or private health insurance then you get nowt.

That should lower my tax bill a bit.

Do you realise how much the equivalent NHS treatment would cost privately?

Look at the USA as a role mode, even a big earner like you would struggle, believe me

Any other good right wing ideas,
Kids up chimneys, abolish state schools?

And it wont lower you tax bill anyway

I'm nowhere near a "big earner".

But the easiest way to stop people milking the system is to make the milkers pay the bill.

It would stop "medical tourism" at a stroke and also make half the spongers think twice before rolling along for a sick note just so as to skive off work.

poolieineastlondon · **Joined:** Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:08 pm **Posts:** 454

There was no need to amend your signature Ripper! It was a rhetorical question.

In many ways I find your youthful naivety refreshing, to be fair like.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:12 pm

poolieineastlondon wrote:

There was no need to amend your signature Ripper! It was a rhetorical question.

In many ways I find your youthful naivety refreshing, to be fair like.

I like my new signature now I've done it.

It could come in handy if anybody tries to sue me. :laugh:

Spender · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:49 pm

ADG wrote:

If only it were that simple eh?

It IS that simple. :roll:

Come and live where I live. :grin:

Oh no you can't, 'cos I've given all your names to the authorities. :sweeeet:

Sorry.

You want socialism, I can show you socialism and Blair, Brown and none of their cohorts dare even come and visit socialism. :wink:

But it scares the lot of you. :roll:

grabec · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:28 pm

Pooliekev wrote:

ADG wrote:

If only it were that simple eh?

It IS that simple. :roll:

Come and live where I live. :grin:

Oh no you can't, 'cos I've given all your names to the authorities. :sweeeet:

Sorry.

You want socialism, I can show you socialism and Blair, Brown and none of their cohorts dare even come and visit socialism. :wink:

But it scares the lot of you. :roll:

But no-one has mentioned socialism......certainly no-one in China. :roll:

On the contrary, we are discussing Utopia. So far my vote is with Mr Norge and his anarcho-syndicalist commune

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

the American system is only good for those who can pay and even those with insurance are struggling
an American cousin of the wife had to pay 900 dollars just to go and see a Dr when she found out she was pregnant
the health service used to be the envy of the world and you cannot tell me that it is the great unwashed as you call them are to blame when Drs\GPs getting £250.000 a year and don't do house calls any more and if you have a problem they just send you to a clinic
it used to be they trained here and then joined the so called brain drain and follow the mighty dollar but they don't need to now

Hawklord · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:27 pm **Posts:** 3118

I'm with Norge & Grabec on this, it's anarcho-syndicalism for me as an ideal, as theorised by Noam Chomsky.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:32 pm

Just think how different this country would be if this Man was still here....

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

if only

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:41 am

Hawklord wrote:

I'm with Norge & Grabec on this, it's anarcho-syndicalism for me as an ideal, as theorised by Noam Chomsky.

The only thing I know about anarcho-syndicalism is what I heard from the peasants talking to King Arthur in that moving picture thingy made by those ex Oxbridge students, whatever happened to them?

"supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony."

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 41343

The meek shall inherit the earth.....let's see how long they hang onto it though eh....? Political theory is all just that , theory, because in the end, as Stalin proved, if you're ruthless enough, with the muscle to back you up, the politics is irrelevant. As the man said, when his advisors were worried about the reaction of the Catholic church to the communist takeovers in eastern Europe postwar..."How many Divisions has the Pope?"....

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

even old joe had to succumb
like all those glorious leaders who mix with back stabbers

Frodraff · **Posted:** Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:04 am

gremmlin wrote:

can i set up a feudal empire on the Headland then?

You missed that by several hundred years. You know you're in a foreign land when you walk around the headland.

Mind I love it.

Frodraff · **Posted:** Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:12 am

MutleyRules wrote:

Just think how different this country would be if this Man was still here....

Inconsiderate of him to have that heart attack wasn't it........too many white poodings and deep fried mars bars.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 23006

Absolutely agree. If John Smith had have remained in charge I would have definitely considered voting for him.

grabec · **Posted:** Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:25 am

ADG wrote:

a good scene from Rude Boy where Joe Strummer is being interviewed by Ray Gange......highlights the hypocracy of socialism very well.

And the utter unsympathetic attitude of the tories back then.

Every one drives round in the same cars......everyone earns the same......etc etc.......but who controls the people? Who decides how much everyone earns........who decides who drives the cars?

Even in a socialist state there are leaders that get more than the rest..............therefore making them affluent, when everyone esle is just about making ends meet.

No matter what form of politcal system is in place......you will always have those that crave power, and power leads to greed.

Yes, but the thing with anarcho syndicalism is , you opt out of all that. I knew very little about it until norge and hawkwind talked of it, but have been making a few enquiries and am impressed. Apparently in Catalonia, three quarters of the land is run by these communes. People who crave power or who wanted umpteen gadgets wouldn't want to be involved, and so stay out
Crucially (and avoiding the potential iron fist of socialist systems) one quarter of the land is still owned by single proprietors, so no-one is forcing anyone to do anything.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:38 am

ADG wrote:

it sounds a bit too Hamish for my liking.

I don't wanna do owt Scottish either.

The Poolie Bunker

How funny

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