This IS a Police State.

Mick Tait's Head Bandage · **Posted:** Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:00 pm

BillinghamPoolie wrote:

offshorepoolie wrote:

Speed Cameras...

Now these should be situated outside of schools etc not on long open stretches of road on hill (Seaton Lane) rage

Like Mr ADG says when was there last an accident on Seaton Lane between the bridge and whats left ofthe Golden Flatts?? :roll:

The other place the Twwat likes to sit is on the junction of Elizabeth Way about ten metres away from the 30MPH sign ..

He's a bastad (c) ADG

The first time I was caught was at that junction, I had just come towards Seaton from Seal Sands way and was slowing down, for the sign at the Cricket Club. But it seems I didn't slow enough, and he was sat just beyond the junction.

A couple of months ago I was driving along Easington Road, at 29mph, and I was overtaken by the 'speed detector' van, doing at least 40, but he knew he was safe, like in the 'Weakest Link' he wasn't going to nominate himself for a fine and 3 points.

nick · **Posted:** Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:29 pm

Snowy wrote:

nick wrote:

Nothing to do with their existance. Anarchy would have it's benefits, but the sort of careers and incentives on offer means that there will always be a steady stream of fascists, nutters and losers willing to join up.

If people took a stand and stopped enrolling on principle, then they'd soon have to address the way the go about their work.

It won't be necessary though. there's always those who see the police and military as a valid path to respect and esteem. Unfortunately for them, there's no respect to be gained by blindly following orders set by those with misguided, unclear or just plain unethical objectives. Sorry.

...your 'theory' has the depth of a car park puddle. :roll:

it's not a 'theory', it's my opinion on people who choose to join the army or police.

whoever's jumped to the conclusion that i want to abolish the police, please get back in your box, i've said nothing of the sort

when i say things like 'anarchy would have its benefits' don't kid yourselves that i don't know exactly what buttons i'm pressing. you'll get used to it.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:02 pm

nick wrote:

Snowy wrote:

nick wrote:

Nothing to do with their existance. Anarchy would have it's benefits, but the sort of careers and incentives on offer means that there will always be a steady stream of fascists, nutters and losers willing to join up.

If people took a stand and stopped enrolling on principle, then they'd soon have to address the way the go about their work.

It won't be necessary though. there's always those who see the police and military as a valid path to respect and esteem. Unfortunately for them, there's no respect to be gained by blindly following orders set by those with misguided, unclear or just plain unethical objectives. Sorry.

...your 'theory' has the depth of a car park puddle. :roll:

it's not a 'theory', it's my opinion on people who choose to join the army or police.

whoever's jumped to the conclusion that i want to abolish the police, please get back in your box, i've said nothing of the sort

when i say things like 'anarchy would have its benefits' don't kid yourselves that i don't know exactly what buttons i'm pressing. you'll get used to it.

Righto Sigmund

nick · **Posted:** Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:37 pm

don't worry i'm used to it - i bring it upon myself

people just can't handle the truth so they have to mock

Spender · **Posted:** Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:43 pm

Just to try and put cap on this, do we:

a. Want the Police Forces out there nicking motorists who might be being irresponsible.

or

b. Want the Police Forces out there preventing crimes against the person rather than the statute book??

Because I think it's really that simple.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

ADG wrote:

and dont use a mobile phone whilst drving

A 100% lie, you passed me about 4-5 months on your way to work whilst on your mobile phone about to approach a busy roundabout. Fact, fact, fact and don't even try and deny it!!!

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

BillinghamPoolie wrote:

ADG wrote:

nick wrote:

all it does is creates more resentment towards the police which in turn makes real crimes harder to deal with - it's harder to find out facts when no-one respects you. It's a downward spiral and the authorities are stupid for not realising it.

I personally don't respect anyone who chooses to join the police in this day and age.

I have never agreed with something more strongly than this in my life.

Well said Nick.

As someone who is interested in joining the police force, may I ask why?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 41293

ADG wrote:

Snowy wrote:

So basically what Dibble is saying is...... 'I DON'T MIND LAWS, EXCEPT THE ONES THAT MAY APPLY TO ME' ....... You sound like my uncle going on about the breathalyser when that came out ..... "what's the country coming to when a bloke can't have a few drinks and drive his car wothout some facist stopping me ..... I fought a war against people like that...etc etc etc " :roll:

Snowy................by your standards a very poor post.

I dont drink and drive, and dont use a mobile phone whilst drving with a can of coke in the other hand.

So, unless I change my ways, what you are saying doesnt apply to me.

If the only people prosecuted are those holding a phone whilst driving:

a. through a busy town centre, or outside schools

or

b. at 90 mph on a motorway, thats fine by me.

You wait though, till the bounders have to get the revenue up.

And those prosecutions include those parked up with the engine running stupid

Those stopped at a major accident, phoning their loved ones to tell them they are ok and will be late stupid

Those changing a CD stupid

etc etc.

It has already been stated that pressure groups are to monitor the success of this new law.

If the police dont get the numbers up they will be accused of paying lip service to the law. As they have with the child seat law, even though its almost impossible to police.

You get the police you deserve..............and you snowy must love ours.

Move along now sir, there's nothing to see here, that's a good boy.... evening all.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 41293

To defeat the argument that the fine is a cash cow, why don't they give the driver points and confiscate the phone..? As for speeding, why not impound the car depending upon the speed..... say a week for every 5mph over the limit ...even company vehicles including vans and lorries. No fines.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:55 pm

I'm upto page 3 but I want to say this....

Why did they double the fine and put 3 points on the licence???? confised

Why don't they do the same for drink drivers who kill or maim???? confised

It really really angers me when I see people over the limit who have killed someone get 18 months and banned for driving for 12 months!!!! rage

To me it's the same as killing someone with a gun and both should carry a minimum of 15 years!!!! :evil:

Cowboy · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:02 am

MutleyRules wrote:

It really really angers me when I see people over the limit who have killed someone get 18 months and banned for driving for 12 months!!!! rage

To me it's the same as killing someone with a gun and both should carry a minimum of 15 years!!!! :evil:

Well said that man :grin:

I do agree with ADG that we live in a police state though, but not because of laws about mobile phones

I do find the proliferation of cameras (for various purposes) very worrying though

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:44 am

chip fireball wrote:

how many was killed in the twin towers tragedy. 3000 ? look at the shiit that kicked off. yet more than that number are killed in road traffic accidents every single year, many of the kids/teenagers. and nobody makes much of a fuss. we just shrug our shoulders and say so what.

one person dies in a train crash and its news headlines for days on end. i deal with the aftermath of road traffic accidents in my job on a daily basis and fatalaties are never minor or insignificant.

when you have spoken to a woman whose daughter has just been killed by a drink driver, or a teenager without a licence in a stolen car, or somebody using a mobile phone in the outside lane of a dual carrigeway while driving at 80 mph then you get a feel for how it feels to be on the end of these little tragedies.

prosecuting drivers doing 35 mph on easington road is profitable but pointless from a road safety perspective. as is doing people for using their mobile while stationary and stuck in traffic on catcote road to ring work and let work know they would be late.

if the police/government were seriously committed to tackling road safety there are better ways of doing this.

e.g. life in prison for drink drivers who kill people. proper punishments for drivers on the roads in uninsured vehicles,stolen vehicles or who are already banned or without a licence . driving bans for anyone using a mobile while driving a car at over 50 mph. speed cameras in real accident blackspots.

As usual Chip you are the voice of common sense on here. I can't disagree with a word you have written. But I'm not allowed an opinion because I sometimes drive at 35mph in a 30 zone, usually a dual carriageway, with clear visibility and no sign of any possible 'victim' of my 'crime'. No mention seems to be made of the fact that drivers like myself will be driving at 20 miles an hour in 30 mile zones, when the amount of parked cars and pedestrian 'traffic' is heavier, and that speed is more appropriate. I have been driving for over 30 years, and have been involved in 5 accidents, some my fault, not one of them was as a result of speeding.

Spender · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:36 am

chip fireball wrote:

how many was killed in the twin towers tragedy. 3000 ? look at the shiit that kicked off. yet more than that number are killed in road traffic accidents every single year, many of the kids/teenagers. and nobody makes much of a fuss. we just shrug our shoulders and say so what.

one person dies in a train crash and its news headlines for days on end. i deal with the aftermath of road traffic accidents in my job on a daily basis and fatalaties are never minor or insignificant.

when you have spoken to a woman whose daughter has just been killed by a drink driver, or a teenager without a licence in a stolen car, or somebody using a mobile phone in the outside lane of a dual carrigeway while driving at 80 mph then you get a feel for how it feels to be on the end of these little tragedies.

prosecuting drivers doing 35 mph on easington road is profitable but pointless from a road safety perspective. as is doing people for using their mobile while stationary and stuck in traffic on catcote road to ring work and let work know they would be late.

if the police/government were seriously committed to tackling road safety there are better ways of doing this.

e.g. life in prison for drink drivers who kill people. proper punishments for drivers on the roads in uninsured vehicles,stolen vehicles or who are already banned or without a licence . driving bans for anyone using a mobile while driving a car at over 50 mph. speed cameras in real accident blackspots.

It's a very valid point of view Chip and the vast majority of us aren't as close to the consequences as you. But sticking with the vast majority for a while, the greater proportion of accidents are just that, not perpetrated by drink drivers, lairy kids or phone users. Most accidents are simply bad judgement and to make that illegal is impossible. One solution would be to bring in regular testing. It seems ludicrous that you can pass your test at 17 and still be driving under the same qualification at 77, when your faculties are naturally depreciated, not that I'm blaming pensioners.

I come back to the point that you can't tar all motorists with the same brush. And if were talking proportional death figures, while the 3000 are dying on the roads, 5000 are dying of hospital acquired diseases, but you can't make revenue out of hygiene. It's not the general empathy I'm lacking, it's just that the opportunism stinks.

Take the HGV traffic off the road and the figures go down by 50%, but the haulage industry put so much money into the Labour Party that they attack the car driver instead. Quid pro quo.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 41293

ADG wrote:

Over 90 posts eh?

I consider this one job done. :grin:

:sweet:

And remember...never let the facts get in the way of a good thread. :laugh:

It never stopped you... rolfl

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